But, that was in regard to a. Beyonder, Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon with minimum effort. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. The level is set when. Pre-retcon, he's a multiversal reality warper and does things like tear the multiverse up on accident . 81. 8 years ago. Going by Cosmology Tiering. 5 years ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder and LT would be about the same power level, imo. Eru Iluvatar is more like SCP 3812 but. That's all there is to it. As wanky as it sounds, you've pitted an omnipotent+ being against an omnipotent being. edit2: One big gotcha I should mention. Ahl God Of Superheroes 20. Pre-Retcon Beyonder v. Pre retcon beyonder vs cosmic armour superman Scan-Battle Who wins in a 1v1 fight Round 1. From a mathematical perspective, Me as a normal human being is literally closer to Azathoth and dr who power level than they are to 3812 . There are levels of overpowered. Although marvel uses numbers to calculate; it's as if he's Alef Null x Billion beyond infinity that already exist, which Tribunal and many others have already transcended. Forum Posts. #8 Edited By Sungsam. . Nightmare All Dreams 24. Beyonder is just Metaverse level or Low Metaverse. 0. When he. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Basanos who are nothing more than a mimcry of Destiny's book could see and create infinite possibilities just to kill Lucifer. ) 4 years ago. Molecule Man. Beyonder is marvel. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. But beyonder that isn’t pr gets absorbed. He is the embodiment of the Beyonder Realm, a place much bigger than the Marvel Multiverse, outside of reality. Beyonder - Writer (according to Stan Lee PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality) I pretend nothing!Summary. On page, on screen, on panel feats. ) No speculation UNLESS implied orconfirmed by author or company to be true. 4,859 4,632. Deku remembers All Might then poof PRB is knocked out. Prepare for. Lucifer Morningstar. Yeah true. Earth 691 Beyonder. #1 Omega48. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. While often portrayed as a misunderstood villain, he has also at times acted as an anti-hero. He is. 11. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. How you interpret that is irrelevant. We already saw alive Gil in the Babylonia arc, he shows the same power level. The conversation about pre-retcon Beyonder?s power have torn down the thread about Thanos with the heart?s power. it would be mostly stalemate. That was the whole point of "Secret Wars II. • 1 year ago. But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. Every hero on earth was totally useless against a flawed celestial patched together from bits and pieces of long dead ones. Then there the Beyonder Child unit thing that is related to The beyonders. Is Pre-Retcon Beyonder more powerful than The One Above All? 57 results 1 2 #1 Edited By firewrkninja on TOAA's page it says that he is the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse. 2nd Retcon - The BEyonder. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. He was initially depicted. Super Power Score and Level. 3. In no way, shape, or form you can scale to the whole thing. During most of the trial, he was a silent witness, holding Protege, the Beyonder, and the Guardians of the Galaxy, while the Tribunal, Eternity, and the Hawk God argued the case. The Beyonders call the. Gender: Inapplicable (As the character stated, "he" was made of energy and could assume any gender that "he" wanted) Age: Unknown. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. Because the Living Tribunal was not 1-A back in 1985, and that is the era when the pre-retcon Beyonder existed. Black Celestial Galactus (not sure). check for yourselves in the Cosmic/Abstract Bios if you wish at Marvel in their histories. the dunamis demiurgos is supposed to be a 1/half copy of the presence's power. It could be argued that the HOTU is as powerful as pre-retcon Beyonder, but even if you were to successfully argue that, it's two beings of PR-Beyonder level power against one HOTU. A fight which takes place on countless levels other than the physical. 5: Molecule Man 6: Lifebringer Galactus. No one. Follow. Conditions of the battle: *Composite Time Lords will include variants of the Time Lords from the Expanded Doctor Who Universe (e. Death only dealt with Dream so casually because of how the concepts they embody interact with each other. He'd be incredibly more versetile with his approach in the fight. He. ago. ago. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. VS. 6. Beyonder is either: A. ago. #18 Edited By Kingant27. He made it so the Beyonders created the multiverse. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. Pre recton beyonder is one of the most over wanked marvel characters . Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. •beyonder is omnipotent in the beyond realm. 1. (too many people use the word "hell" "asshole" and "bitch")Batman (just kidding) 10 years ago. Mutant Inhuman Beyonder. Apr 8, 2018. on. The molecule man destroys the machine and sends the enormous energies of the Beyonder into his beyond-realm forming a big bang and creating a new universe in the process - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, Scan 4 and Scan 5. Forum Posts. When Molecule Man faced The Sentry, he was in his unrestrained normal-self as he showed himself able to use his powers in new ways as he got rid of all his negative beliefs on his abilities (the Dark Reign Files are a. ]Just because that occurred, does not mean Pre-Retcon Beyonder's "im ominoptent" statement holds any weight. "Now now thats not true. and lady death is just skeleton level because she is a skeleton. The Pre Rectcon Beyonder is basically a galaxy spanning Pamela Geller, Richard Dawkins and Salman Rushdie rolled into one universal power, the Beyonder has the power to stomp on the Quran or Koran. The Beyonder beat them rather easily - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3,. I don't recall any changes in power level or powerset. -Both sides have a week of prep. -Everything in bleach. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. #1. Everyone in current Marvel (except The One Above All, and Living Tribunal. Fighting place: Dr. Powers and Stats. 10 years ago JackKnightPR Beyonder's power was likened to an ocean while the Marvel Universe was said to be a drop of water in comparison. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. 10 years ago. 4 years. I agree, but you have to understand that the only things in the Marvel Multiverse more powerful than the Infinity Stones, and by extension the Gauntlet, are the The Living Tribunal, The Heart of the Universe, The Fulcrum (which is the man Jack Kirby himself), pre-retcon Beyonder (arguably), The Marquis of Death (non-canon), and. 3. Akasha only has 6d universes on itself, that's not omnipotence. deactivated-63c1a72900876. #1. HeartLesS 25 d . The result of an. #17. Name: The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who Is All, "Frank," Kosmos, The Maker, The Broken One. Even we accept the retcon situation you defend,thats not a obstacle for Pre Retcon Beyonder and his Supreme power. The Beyonder is millions of times more powerful than the combined power in the multiverse which includes the Living Tribunal - Scan 1. It takes place in the astral plane that has infinite size. @hyperbeing said:. Eternity, Death, Living Tribunal, are all way more powerful than the Beyonder. Even The. You. Stronger than scp-3125 who in turn can exist in noosphere, noosphere contains and surpass narrative within scp which in turn even one narrative in surpass uncountable infinite narratives and oh yeah by the way this is THE SMALLEST narrative and it’s already pre retcon beyonder in turn there are infinite narratives which each surpass each other in. Beyonder doesn't have omniversal feats to even put him on an omniversal level, much less beyond omniversal level. Beyonder still probably loses to Thought Robot Superman, Final Batsuit Batman, Anti-Crisis Wonder Woman, Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos, Perpetua, the Darkest Knight, true form Darkseid, etc. 2. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. Molecule Man can cancel Beyonder’s power and weaken him. Metaphysical power sets, hax (Well, can consider both the same if you want, since Gilgamesh's hax adheres to metaphysical power sets) Beyonder has simply no resistence against, surperior cosmology. Master-Tee • 2 yr. Mxyzptlk. Business, Economics, and Finance. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Supposedly he retconned himself, so this would mean pre- and post- retconn are same power level. The rest of the rounds Marvel is pretty dominant, maybe they could do something in the final round. Doom get the drop on him and take his power. Pre Retcon Beyonder sees an. Motivation: ROB Fight in ROBverse. The Beyonder being millions of times the power of the Multiverse was countered by himself twicesaying Eternity and The Phoenix Force had the power to destroy him. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. Multi-Eternity. The One Above All/Pre retcon Beyonder (both characters were created by legendary comic book writers Jack Kirby and Jim. Rune King Thor cant beat a fully fed. A man as powerful as he is chronically insecure character, Owen Reece has the power to control all matter and energy. His presence alone destroyed infinite universes. Even LT feared him and begged him not to do everything he did. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. 4 years ago. ] Moon Buster Tier: Able to destroy or move the moon [E. Lucifer Morningstar (with the Demiurgic Dunamis): Lucifer Morningstar traveling to Marvel multiverse towards know more about it and just traveling to events of. Poll Eru Iluvatar vs Beyonder ( Pre Retcon ) (41 votes) Eru 61%. #17. Q, although claims omnipotence, was still very bound with what he could do. I mean he is so omnipotent yet it looks like he can't seem to understand that to dress up you need the lights on. Round 2 : Post Retcon. pre-retcon Beyonder. 9. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity. #5. Pre retcon Beyonder isn't aware of doctor strange. I forget her name. Marvel vs DCBeyonder's best feat is defeating a multiverse level entity, the Living Tribunal, which was a big deal. When talking Beyonder, We're referring to a dude whose power level was measured as "quintillions" of times greater than everything in the multiverse combined, and laughed off a. Pre-retcon Beyonder was almost omnipotent. Beyonder is barely multiversal, the cosmology is too. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the literal principle and the executioner at the same time yes their was scans of Beyonder TANKing universe busting and faster than light attacks he even was able to. Marvel has it's entire cosmology absolutely filthy with things with a canonical power level of "infinite". when people talk about pre-retcon marvel like pre-retcon beyonder or pre-retcon molecule man what storyline was the retcon. These two interpretations are overpowered as hell, but they have their share of a few problems. Doom get the drop on him and take his power. Pre Retcon Beyonder said that the combined powers of all the beings in the multiverse (including entities) where just like a drop in the sea and is considered to be a million times powerful than. Baby Beyonder. And the modern US military can easily beat Homelander, but a few thousand guys are dying. But it wont be easy by no means. @yamiyodare: Living Tribunal has held 2. Battle for the Multiverse! The Beyonders & Thanos have teamed up to destroy The Beyonder & reclaim power over the Marvel Multiverse. This is came from a Handbook that is for Cosmic Cube Beyonder but this Handbook is a reference to his ORIGINAL character for Beyonder in Secret Wars 1-2No struggle, no real story. 0. Or maybe some version of Neil Gaiman's Endless beings. 1. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than anyone not omnipotent. 0. Been done here on the vine. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. The level is set when. Aka vs the Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Thread starter Keeweed; Start date Jan 2,. This also includes any editing errors, spelling errors, grammar errors etc. #2 Edited By Hulkman123. Furthermore, Mandrakk also. Doom stated the LifeForce >>> the power of Beyonder. These two interpretations are overpowered as hell, but they have their share of a few problems. Super Power Score and Level. 8 C. " No actually there have been 3 different incarnations of the Beyonder with 3 different power levels. I think he wins this. jwwprod. Spectre. let's wait and see his actual feats. Post Retcon the Beyonder was part cosmic cube along with Owen. The 2nd Existential Seed said: Beyonder is either one of two things: Millions times stronger then Eternity, or millions times more powerful than LT + ( Even though I believe the first ) . R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. As a result, for his experiment, he. Sppople. With this said, Secret wars 2 did but all that massively multiversal mumbo-jumbo and Living Tribunal being less than a. Lucifer could just tricked Beyonder like Molecule Man did to Beyonder. 9: Dr. Enter, the retcon. Heck, it was Pre-Retcon Beyonder who was basically the original and first Marvel's Void Abstract, not Oblivion. Team 1 wins. This is a higher scale power level. Having said this,we cannot scale and judge Pre Retcon Beyonder from what the Ivory Kings do. The Tribunal wins this without even breaking a sweat. The One Above All, as per the name is above all. 9 Doctor Manhattan: Like A Duck To Water. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. VS. They do things that are abtract and non-sensical, but quite frankly so does Beyonder so it's a coin flip imo. Definitely Beyonder. He is the embodiment of the Beyond-realm which is in fact, another multiverse. 8 K. I will need to have cited evidence for. Round 1: Eternity: Beyonder stomps. During Fantastic Four #319, the Beyonder was retconned into being an incomplete Cosmic Cube, with the Molecule Man as his other half. A powerful alien supervillain and master of all reality, Beyonder manipulated Loki Laufeyson (not realizing it was in fact Loki who manipulated him) into telling him of Earth's existence. - Neither. The Soruce(DC) 5. -. 13 years ago. Also, I should mention that they are probably re-retconning him to his previous levels soon. Round 3 Pre-retcon Beyonder takes this and with a good level of ease. Solar Supercharge: Superman Prime One Million remained in Earth's sun, labelled as the "Super-Sun", for 15,000 years, increasing his abilities to unknown but presumably titanic levels. normal Round 2. 13 years ago Pre-Retcon Beyonder has been stated to be only millions of times more powerful than a multiverse, which means he has a level of dimensionality that's in the millions or is otherwise infinite. At this power level he was still able to affect things across the universe, across dimension, and across time, which I think puts him far above Sentry. Pre-ret beyonder was collapsing parallel dimensions as a byproduct of deep conflicting thought, Thanos could probably achieve this seeing how he wiped the universe clean but Beyonder just seems. Along with being superior to the concept of Spatiality and Temporality. Beyonder is 1,000,000-2,000,000 times more powerful than an Infinitely Layered Multiverse based on the On-Panel direct estimate. PR Beyonder is probably the strongest comic character there is if you go by feats alone and not by hype. Don't think God Thing's H4X compares. Here is my sandbox: Evaluation would be very helpful. no that was post-retcon Beyonder, and I think she actually had borrowed some of his power and then returned it to him. Wich by the way, Beyonder, would just make a tought to undo them all. No prep everyone is at peak level all blood lusted to the death fight takes place in space. Gender: Inapplicable (As the character stated, "he" was made of energy. May 26, 2023. and to give Beyonder a curiosity, a reason to visit Earth in SWII. No curse words. Orphic Zeus. Lucifer Morningstar in character could probally beat him. ) No Superman anything, gonna at least make this sorta interesting 2. Pre-retcon beyonder vs Dr manhattan Thread starter BBNicky; Start date Apr 18, 2021; BBNicky. Beyonder is called "Omnipotent" in all the. Super Power Score and Level. Azrael and Time(Discworld) 4. so that places a limit on his power. Post-Retcon Molecule Man easily overpowered the Post-Retcon Beyonder. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. Follow 11369. You can't be above the power of the wrtiers. Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Respect Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty). Imagion all he powers in the Marvel Multiverse (which is infinite), not just the Multiverse but also every being in it, and emptyness (which is also infinite) beyond it (blank pages) Even Stan Lee stated in an interview in the 80s, that Beyonder was supose to represent the power the writers had. They have never adapted to PR Beyonder level power. Bernkastel vs her servant Will ( not an actual battle. Alot of people seem to have hard time giving HOM Wanda her due. Beyonder is just Metaverse level or Low Metaverse. Beyonder is better then the verse it is really to vague an obscure but really they don't seem to come close to his level of power and I doubt they are supposed to be interpreted as such. Tier: High 1-B | At least High 1-B | High 1-A | High 1-A. He is the closest thing to omnipotent without being omnipotent. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Precursors and Silentium Flood (Halo) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (616 Marvel) Apparently, the Precursors are massively multiversal as the Forerunners, who are inferior to them, can use entire universes to power themselves. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. 2 years ago. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa. ) No fan. so what beyonder does that agianst guys 1000x their level. Pre-retcon beyonder is equal toaa in power. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesPre-Retcon Beyonder just erases the Throne of Heroes, killing every single servant because servants are copies of heroes, made using information from the Throne of Heroes. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. The Beyonder being millions of times the power of the Multiverse was countered by himself twicesaying Eternity and The Phoenix Force had the power to destroy him. The difference is that the first Beyonder was presented as having a radically different backstory and widely divergent level of power to how he was presented before. Lucifer. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. Round 1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Pre-Retcon Superman. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. Thanos here probably has more power but Beyonder might win off of a technicality. Word Lords, the Celestis, Faction Paradox, etc. They know that he is capable of ending them with naught but a thought, and that engenders a feeling in them they've never known- fear. 1. K. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). ) along with the Great Houses of Gallifrey (A. If you can think about beating TOAA, Beyonder can do that. Nope. - Fight Scenario -. ago. Also the Beyonder is whatever he decides to be. Instead of dealing with the two out right, the Presence gets help from his agents. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. it would be mostly stalemate. SCP 3812 will just blink Pre Retcon Beyonder out of existence easily. Based on Owen's estimation of Beyonder's power levels. Aka and Lorkhan influenced and limited all Et'Ada with their power. Someone that is perhaps the only rival of Pre-Retcon Beyonder, a crazy powerful reality bender that once clashed with Beyonder. Multi-Abstract= Multi-Eternity. Power Grid [27] Intelligence @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. NOTHING. As for Wanda feats she reformed the multiverse (not omniverse, just the way it was used here) and ALSO stopped/controlled/dispersed. Nov 6, 2017. Beyonder at first during SW2 didnt even have a concept of life or death for a while and was even manipulated by normal people, by the end of SW2 he was more knowledgeable but to the basic comrepehension of stuff, Lucy on the other hand is one of the most cunning people in DC and with his power combined he should think of a way to beat PRB other. A High Nigh-Omnipotent being; with no limits. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. Reviews: 0. so MM was infinite chain levels of infinity power leveled. That's all there is to it. The infinite Marvelverse was stated to be like a drop of water in an ocean compared to PR Beyonder's power. 967. Originally Beyonder was a mysterious cosmic entity from outside the multiverse who was more powerful than Galactus, The Celestials, and the entire Cosmic Compass. That one time Phoenix Force making Pre Retcon Beyonder struggle: is this a testament to her power?. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was Omnipotent! The comics said so. At the height of his power, Pre-Retcon Beyonder gave everything that existed a few hours to continue existing before he wiped everything out. Owen Reece was a weak, shy boy in Brooklyn, New York who obsessively clung to his mother. JuliusTakalua. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. Even MM said Beyonder was well beyond him In that fight even with half his power. Pre Retcon Beyonder is TOAA of a world much much larger than Marvel Multiverse. #36. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. MM is superior to LT due to defeating the Beyonders, who one-shotted LT in a. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). The Spectre (at MAXIMUM Potential) vs. He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. Pretty much unbeatable is incorrect. I guess ill make some rules 1. Round 2: White Phoenix of the Crown: Beyonder stomps. Cubey. I think pre-retcon Beyonder may take it. Momentarily Matches Beyonder in a battle that causes Multiversal TremorsBut my vote for Pre-Retcon Beyonder just cause marvel writers stated he been TOAA in his own multiverse and all combine power in all multiverse in a millions times lower than him . The mightiest beings (Living Tribunal) are microbes to him. RRPanther • 7 mo. Regulator Thanos wins, both these characters are above LT in power scope, however the HOTU. On the other hand, though, hasn't Doctor Doom. Beyonder can’t catch Alison before she dies. even though the aftermath of it still did for the mainstream universe. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. There is no way to square all of the things The Beyonder could do pre-retcon with the origin they assigned to him post-retcon, so you kind of need to make a distinction between the. Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. 43. ago. God Emperor Doom has no feats that matter at this level, Pre-retcon Beyonder turns him into a toilet. Reality merely became whatever the Beyonder's imagination was. Oct 21, 2006 #2 Yeah there was a few threads about just how powerful pre-retcon beyonder is. pr beyonder was way above LT, even when pr beyonder was weakened, he was still more powerful than a room full of abstracts, including LT. Pre Retcon Beyonder would be accidentally retconned once more. Well seeing how ive been told i need to tone down the Superman stuff. MCU God of stories Loki vs Pre Retcon Beyonder. It’s hard to grasp at this level, but I believe the Beyonder has far greater on screen feats, such as his battle with Molecule Man. Pre retcon Beyonder & MM > Lucifer Morningstar > The Endless. Text under CC-BY-SA licenseThe Beyonder is the physical manifestation of the beyond realm itself, the beyond realm is superior/transcendent over the marvel Multiverse in it's entirety, is beyond all planes of. The Beyonder might be incredibly powerful (especially in his pre retcon state), but power means nothing to something which predates and transcends things like power, life,. Created to be the ultimate thing ever, the Beyonder fulfilled his objective too well. Of course, Sentry beat MM when he was at. give evidence of who wins. The higher levels are kinda featless in Doctor Who. When the Beyonder entered Marvel, reality itself ceased to exist. 0. Also CAS safe stomps round 4, 7 and probably round 10 as well. Pre retcon MM scared the cosmics of the 80s even as groups, they had to just let him pass by out of fear, even beg him to fight Beyonder due to how scared shitless they. Manhattan is super strong. Gan and Crimson King are basically super-amped versions of P. . Round 5 : Beyonder Curbs ( it is said that his power is far superior to MM. Beyonder is a million times larger than an Infinite Dimensional Multiverse, the difference between him and an Omniverse is far greater than the one between MM. So I started a thread where we can debate the power that Beyonder had before he was retconned. By the way what is Hajun's power i mean kkk is has no official English translation and baste on what i know from all the translated content his basically Lung from worm and can escalate his power with the. New posts. MM is not as strong as Beyonder but he's above Living Tribunal, abstracts, IG and other such levels of cosmic power. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. However, he can scale to characters with immeasurable speed via statements.